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Post by castor on Aug 17, 2009 20:41:08 GMT 8
deejay, i miss her too, Elizaveta Tichtchenko (Tishchenko). hehe yes...kakaiba ang back quick nito....  agree ako sa inyo! ang taas ng porsyento ni running nya! |
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Post by narcoleptic24 on Aug 17, 2009 22:02:06 GMT 8
laki talaga improvement ng thailand.
tanong, natalo talaga ng china ang netherlands? di naman sa di ako naniniwala, i just thought na mahihirapan ang china since under rebuilding programs ang team nila ngayon, compared to netherlands na veterans na rin na maituturing ang mga players.
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Post by narcoleptic24 on Aug 17, 2009 22:08:16 GMT 8
agree ako sa inyo! ang taas ng porsyento ni running nya! so true! it's safe to give her the title of "The Best Running Spiker in the World". and, not to forget, may hawig pa siya kay julia roberts!  |
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Post by swimbod21 on Aug 18, 2009 1:14:47 GMT 8
^^ That's an overstatement. She's good but Lai Ya Wen, Rui Rui Zhao and Regla Torres (with her slo-mo slide/running) are far the best I've seen.
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Post by jodaman on Aug 18, 2009 5:46:54 GMT 8
i've only seen torres hit slides less than five times with their 6-2 set-up. though the sets were too high and slow (ergo, easily "blockable"), she made a kill out of them. there was this time when they did 5-1, with aguero as setter and torres as opposite (and then-young zoila barros as middle blocker). 'yon 'yong karamihang palo ni torres na nakita ko ay slides. boom! i like sokolova's, zhao rui rui's and liu ya nan's slides. liu's is the quickest quick slide (and the most powerful quick slide) i've seen. the weirdest-looking slide i've seen was roxanne pimentel's.  |
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Post by jodaman on Aug 18, 2009 6:22:55 GMT 8
she is indeed a good, mature and smart player, but about her hitting percentage, i think a lot of is helped by that all her blockers are too busy thinking about her outside-hitter-teammates. agree ako sa inyo! ang taas ng porsyento ni running nya! |
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Post by deejay_05 on Aug 18, 2009 11:50:21 GMT 8
from FIVB, a news clip about the China - Ned game:
China halts the unbreakable records of Netherlands in FIVB World Grand Prix 2009
Warm greetings before the start of the game
Hong Kong, August 16, 2009 – Credit must be given to the thundering cheers and applause of over 13,000 audience at the Hong Kong Coliseum as China defeated Netherlands in a four-set match by 25-21, 25-22, 21-25 and 25-21 on Sunday afternoon.
China began the set with a combination of forceful spikes and serves. Ma Yunwen from China secured points by delivering fierce serves. China attained a lead (8-4) at the first TTO. Netherlands failed to close the score difference with China. It remained a tough time for Netherlands until the second TTO (16-11). Even the hammers from Netherlands could not stop China from capturing the first set at 25-21.
At the beginning of the second set, some winning series gave China a 5 point advantage (8-3) at the first TTO. Facing Xue Ming’s and Wang Yimei’s powerful spikes, Netherlands attempted to strengthen their barrage and maximize their attack. However Netherlands’ effort seemed to be in vain and China sealed the set at 25-22.
Netherlands got off to recover with improved serves and more vigorous attacks, and obtained a 2-point lead at the first TTO. Not allowing China to get any closer to the scores, the captain of Netherlands, Manon Flier gathered the strength of every team member and expanded the gap to 16-12. Under her marvelous leadership, Netherlands’ spirit significantly lightened up and thus wrapped the set at 25-21.
Sustaining the winning flame in their hearts, Netherlands kept dominating the fourth set at the first TTO (8-5). Wang Yimei’s successive superb jump-serves finally brought the score to a tie at 11-11 and gained a 2-point lead at the second TTO. Not disappointing the Hong Kong audience, China thrashed the apparently unbeatable Netherlands team and clinched the game at 25-21.
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Post by deejay_05 on Aug 18, 2009 11:55:18 GMT 8
The Finals, World Grand Prix; from FIVB
Invincible Brazil leads way to Final Six of 2009 World Grand Prix
Lausanne, Switzerland, August 16, 2009 – Defending and seven-time champions Brazil advanced to the 2009 FIVB World Grand Prix Final Round as the only unbeaten team with a clean sweep in the three-week preliminaries.
Joining the invincible team in the Finals in Tokyo from August 19-23 are the high-flying Netherlands, who won the 2007 edition, Asian powerhouse China, world champions and three-time winners Russia, Germany, who won a single bronze medal in 2002, and hosts Japan, looking forward to winning their first medal ever this time regardless of what color it might be.
At the end of the third week of pool play on August 16, World No. 1 Brazil and gold medalists at the last year’s Olympic Games in Beijing, made it three in a row in Mokpo, Korea to top Pool H with a full six points, followed by Japan and Germany with five and four points respectively. Failing to make use of the home-crowd advantage, a lackluster Korea did not win a single match to finish a disappointing fourth place with three points.
In Hong Kong, the Netherlands, China and Poland lost one match apiece to share a similar five points from two wins against one loss.
There, China, currently ranked No.5 in the world and champions in 2003, stopped the Dutchwomen’s aura of invincibility by beating them in a dramatic four sets, while the Chinese themselves also suffered an upset loss at the hands of Poland in a hard-fought five sets.
However, with the better points ratio, the Netherlands went atop Pool G. China came in second spot, with Poland in third place. Dominican Republic lost all their matches to finish fourth in the pool play with only three points.
In Bangkok, where a large number of home supporters thronged into the Keelawes 1 Gymnasium packed to its 4,000 seating capacity, Russia registered three consecutive wins to top Pool I with six points. Up-and-coming Thailand performed superbly to win two matches to finish second in the pool with just one point behind.
The USA, FIVB world No.2, two-time champions and silver medalists in the last year’s Beijing Games, lost their touch to finish third in the pool with four points from one win against two losses, while debutantes Puerto Rico did not win a single match there to come in fourth place with three points.
At the completion of the July 3-August 16 preliminaries, undefeated Brazil topped the 12-team standings with a perfect record of nine wins. The Netherlands and China finished second and third places overall with 17 and 16 points respectively.
Russia was ranked fourth with six wins against three losses, while Japan proved they have the ability to be pitted against the world’s elite teams in the Final Round. Though advancing to the Final Round automatically as the host team, Japan defied all odds to come in fifth place as well. Germany was the last team to join the aforementioned five to the Finals.
Poland and Thailand collected 13 points from four wins against five losses. Poland took seventh place with a better overall points ratio, while Thailand placed eighth.
The newly formed USA dropped from their usual best to finish a below-par ninth position this time, while Puerto Rico, Dominican Republic and Korea finished 10th, 11th and 12th respectively.
The best five teams – Brazil, the Netherlands, China, Russia and Germany – plus hosts Japan made the cut for the Final Round to be held in the Tokyo Metropolitan Gymnasium.
Among the six participating teams in the Finals, Russia and the Netherlands did not take part last year, while Brazil did not lose a single match to their respective rivals.
Brazil already beat three teams in the Finals – China, Japan and Germany, while Russia lost to China and Japan, but has yet to take on the remaining three. The Netherlands lost just once, to China, and beat Japan and Germany. They are looking forward to the mighty clashes against Brazil and Russia in the Finals.
Germany lost to Brazil twice and also went down to the Netherlands and Japan, but has yet to play Russia and China.
The General Meeting and the Press Conference for the 2009 World Grand Prix Final Round will take place on August 18, while FIVB President Wei Jizhong will also be present at this year’s World Grand Prix.
Standings after the preliminaries:
1. Brazil 18 points (9 wins)
2. The Netherlands 17 points (8-1)
3. China 16 points (7-2)
4. Russia 15 points (6-3)
5. Japan 14 points (5-4)
6. Germany 14 points (5-4)
7. Poland 13 points (4-5)
8. Thailand 13 points (4-5)
9. The USA 12 points (3-6)
10. Puerto Rico 10 points (1-8)
11. Dominican Republic 10 points (1-8)
12. Korea 10 points (1-8)
The six teams who advanced to the 2009 FIVB World Grand Prix Final Round in Tokyo from August 19-23:
1. Brazil
2. The Netherlands
3. China
4. Russia
5. Germany
6. Japan as the host country
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Post by karpol on Aug 18, 2009 14:07:59 GMT 8
i think i would have to disagree a little bit..to swimbod
thats not an overstatement....tischenko if not the best one of the best i would say so...
tischenko..mastered this kind of running spike......
the results are excellent.....
guys dont you remember valentina oguienko's running spikes?
how about wu yongmei...
motoko obhayashi's left hand running hit...
sa tingin ko lang saking pananaw..
mas quick ang running ni oguenko kay liu......
at mas malakas din
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Post by deejay_05 on Aug 18, 2009 14:37:07 GMT 8
Yes Karpol, naalala ko ang mga running spikes ni Oguienko sa 1988 Seoul and 1992 Barcelona Olympics. Malakas sila nun, kasama nya si Irina Smirnova and si Menchova, setter pa nila nun si Vassilevskaia...Sa USA naalala kong nagrunning ay sina Tammy Liley, yung isang Oden at si Paula Weishoff....
Sa Cuba, ang malakas sa quick at back quick ay si Ana Fernandez. Noong 1996 Atlanta siya nag shine... Sa China naman ay si Sun Yue (lefty ito) at si Marcia Cunha, captain ball ng Brazil...malakas din ang back quick nila....
Sa last year USA team, ang nakikita kong ng R-4 ay si Danielle Scott-Aruda...
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Post by karpol on Aug 18, 2009 16:13:55 GMT 8
are u sure menchova??
hindi po sia starter nung 1992 olympics....
Starting 6
OH Smirnova,Batukthina
MB Oguienko,Chebunkina
OPP Korytova
S Nikulina....
si vassilevskaia na yun ay older sister ni elena vassilevskaia
si menchova ay backup OH together with sidorenko and artamonova
backup mb morozova...hindi ko lang alam posisyon nung Lebedeva
are u sure na si sun yue ay lefti?? ok ka lng??
right hand po sia
bka si cui yongmei ang sinasabi mo
nag shine nung 1996 si fernandez?
parang hindi ata....ang starter Mb's nun si carvajal at torres....
yes she did have become a starter..when cuba beats russia in 96 wgp...but im not sure ........
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Post by swimbod21 on Aug 19, 2009 0:47:25 GMT 8
i think i would have to disagree a little bit..to swimbod thats not an overstatement....tischenko if not the best one of the best i would say so... tischenko..mastered this kind of running spike...... the results are excellent..... guys dont you remember valentina oguienko's running spikes? how about wu yongmei... motoko obhayashi's left hand running hit... sa tingin ko lang saking pananaw.. mas quick ang running ni oguenko kay liu...... at mas malakas din We have our own favorites and I guess that affect our own choices. I prefer Plotnikova's (spelling) running over Tischenko's. Feeling ko very blockable si Tischenko at times. Today, China's Ming and the two Brazilian middle hitters are the best. Ming's is the snappy type while Fabiana and Thaisa's are more into power. I expect USA's Akinrawdenko to develop soon. Scott-Aruda has improved so much! |
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Post by deejay_05 on Aug 19, 2009 6:11:32 GMT 8
ok my error...
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Post by jodaman on Aug 19, 2009 7:16:17 GMT 8
well, i did add the clause "i've seen", and i haven't seen ogienko's slide attacks (techincally once or twice lang). hehehe! i think that was the time when kirillova was the setter... i think i would have to disagree a little bit..to swimbod thats not an overstatement....tischenko if not the best one of the best i would say so... tischenko..mastered this kind of running spike...... the results are excellent..... guys dont you remember valentina oguienko's running spikes? how about wu yongmei... motoko obhayashi's left hand running hit... sa tingin ko lang saking pananaw.. mas quick ang running ni oguenko kay liu...... at mas malakas din |
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Post by jodaman on Aug 19, 2009 7:39:01 GMT 8
hmmm...marcia fu...if i'm not mistaken she was the opposite hitter, and i don't remember her hitting quick attacks. i better dig through dnetors's archives... the cuban middle blockers (carvajal, torres and fernandez, for example) often leaped very high--in fact too high for a quick attack. their middle attacks were more of a differential set from what i've seen and read. and yes, sun yue was a left-wing spiker, but she is right-handed. it is unlikely that she did quick attacks because of her position as an outside hitter in the chinese system. danielle scott-aruda was also a good blocker. heather bown, the other middle blocker, was also quite good. Yes Karpol, naalala ko ang mga running spikes ni Oguienko sa 1988 Seoul and 1992 Barcelona Olympics. Malakas sila nun, kasama nya si Irina Smirnova and si Menchova, setter pa nila nun si Vassilevskaia...Sa USA naalala kong nagrunning ay sina Tammy Liley, yung isang Oden at si Paula Weishoff.... Sa Cuba, ang malakas sa quick at back quick ay si Ana Fernandez. Noong 1996 Atlanta siya nag shine... Sa China naman ay si Sun Yue (lefty ito) at si Marcia Cunha, captain ball ng Brazil...malakas din ang back quick nila.... Sa last year USA team, ang nakikita kong ng R-4 ay si Danielle Scott-Aruda... |
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